The Venus Project Options

[Harlequin]

http://www.thevenusproject.com/


I've been looking at this...I suspect I may believe in it.


Anyone care to look into it and tell me why I shouldn't?

[JonoF]

From what was mentioned at the end of Zeitgeist: Addendum, it seems like a good idea but i think there is alot of wishful thinking involved. They mention that no law enforcement will be required because there is no monitory value, but not all crime is for monitory gain. Rape, and murder for example. Most of these crimes are done just for the thrills.

As they say, it's not perfect but it's better than what we have at the moment.

[Harlequin]

From what was mentioned at the end of Zeitgeist: Addendum, it seems like a good idea but i think there is alot of wishful thinking involved. They mention that no law enforcement will be required because there is no monitory value, but not all crime is for monitory gain. Rape, and murder for example. Most of these crimes are done just for the thrills.

As they say, it's not perfect but it's better than what we have at the moment.

I too doubt that we wouldn't need law enforcement of some kind, I just suspect we wouldn't need quite as much as we have at the moment. The same would apply to armed forces.
At least I now know who was behind Zeitgeist, I'd suspected the film was made by the Islamist. It's nice to see that the concept was of a more high minded group.

[aboutblank1976]

It's almost like some bastard "eco-marxist" theory. Yes strip away all the money and distribute the earths natural resources equally amogst everyone. Key bit in the few paragraphs I read.............

We realize to make the transition from our present culture, which is politically incompetent, scarcity-oriented and obsolete, to this new, more humane society will require a quantum leap in both thought and action

.......or translated "Never going to happen!"

Salesman :"Hello Mr Medvedev sorry to bother you but we recently sent you a Venus Project brochure and we were wondering if you would like to follow up by opting in?"

Medvedev: "Niet"

Salesman: "What about Mr Putin? Has he shown any interest?"

Medvedev: "Niet!"

Salesman: "Okay thanks for your time, I shall leave you to your Borsch and Vodka as I have a follow up call to do with Mr Ahmadinejad!"

Just all a bit wooly in thinking for my liking all though the picture painted sounds lovely - it's a bit like listening to Vince Cable.

[Harlequin]

It's almost like some bastard "eco-marxist" theory. Yes strip away all the money and distribute the earths natural resources equally amogst everyone. Key bit in the few paragraphs I read.............

We realize to make the transition from our present culture, which is politically incompetent, scarcity-oriented and obsolete, to this new, more humane society will require a quantum leap in both thought and action

.......or translated "Never going to happen!"

Salesman :"Hello Mr Medvedev sorry to bother you but we recently sent you a Venus Project brochure and we were wondering if you would like to follow up by opting in?"

Medvedev: "Niet"

Salesman: "What about Mr Putin? Has he shown any interest?"

Medvedev: "Niet!"

Salesman: "Okay thanks for your time, I shall leave you to your Borsch and Vodka as I have a follow up call to do with Mr Ahmadinejad!"

Just all a bit wooly in thinking for my liking all though the picture painted sounds lovely - it's a bit like listening to Vince Cable.

Neatly put. Yet if the current model for society doesn't work, shouldn't we at least look at new models?

We need to look at the next step for society (whether we want to or not). We've tried being led by bureaucrats...why not try being led by the "doers" for a change?

[rederic]

It's almost like some bastard "eco-marxist" theory. Yes strip away all the money and distribute the earths natural resources equally amogst everyone. Key bit in the few paragraphs I read.............

We realize to make the transition from our present culture, which is politically incompetent, scarcity-oriented and obsolete, to this new, more humane society will require a quantum leap in both thought and action

.......or translated "Never going to happen!"

Salesman :"Hello Mr Medvedev sorry to bother you but we recently sent you a Venus Project brochure and we were wondering if you would like to follow up by opting in?"

Medvedev: "Niet"

Salesman: "What about Mr Putin? Has he shown any interest?"

Medvedev: "Niet!"

Salesman: "Okay thanks for your time, I shall leave you to your Borsch and Vodka as I have a follow up call to do with Mr Ahmadinejad!"

Just all a bit wooly in thinking for my liking all though the picture painted sounds lovely - it's a bit like listening to Vince Cable.

Neatly put. Yet if the current model for society doesn't work, shouldn't we at least look at new models?

We need to look at the next step for society (whether we want to or not). We've tried being led by bureaucrats...why not try being led by the "doers" for a change?

But if the "doers" become leaders, then they're not "doers" any more, they're bureaucrats.

[Harlequin]

But if the "doers" become leaders, then they're not "doers" any more, they're bureaucrats.

I'll not persue this topic any further...I've spoken to a few on this topic, and the conditioning and apathy will defeat any attempts to change.

I've also just been out and viewed the behaviour of some of my fellow humans, and I now believe that we are not fit to move on...the Neanderthal strain is still with us.

[aboutblank1976]

Ug

[Harlequin]

Ug

I wasn't refering to you...you dingbat.

[Harlequin]

Then again, we may be moving into the venus projecy territory anyway, I effectively work for nothing anyway...what I mean is it's been at least two weeks since I actually had any cash in my hand, all my transactions are by electronic transfer - money that doesnt actually exist transfered into banks that don't have cash. So in reality...I work for nothing.

Add that Honda "Clarity" and few other steps forward, and the only thing holding us back is people.

[rederic]

Then again, we may be moving into the venus projecy territory anyway, I effectively work for nothing anyway...what I mean is it's been at least two weeks since I actually had any cash in my hand, all my transactions are by electronic transfer - money that doesnt actually exist transfered into banks that don't have cash. So in reality...I work for nothing.

Add that Honda "Clarity" and few other steps forward, and the only thing holding us back is people.

You don't work for nothing, you work for credit. This credit can be converted into cash by drawing it from a bank or ATM, should you wish.

Add that Honda "Clarity" and few other steps forward, and the only thing holding us back is people.

Sorry, I don't understand this, can you explain further?

[Harlequin]

You don't work for nothing, you work for credit. This credit can be converted into cash by drawing it from a bank or ATM, should you wish.

Add that Honda "Clarity" and few other steps forward, and the only thing holding us back is people.

Sorry, I don't understand this, can you explain further?

Here's the Honda car.... http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

Worldwide instant communication via mobile phone...My friends can be anywhere on the globe, not just within a few miles of where I live.

And I know about the credit/payment bit...but If I choose to never use cash (which I can) then my overdraft means I've so much leaway in what is actually in there, then whether there is "money" regularly going in or not is irrelevant. So long as I keep working and I stay within my means, then in effect...I don't use money!

It's a mental leap that has taken 52 years to get here, but I've discovered greed sucks. I don't need anything more than what I have.

[aboutblank1976]

And I know about the credit/payment bit...but If I choose to never use cash (which I can) then my overdraft means I've so much leaway in what is actually in there, then whether there is "money" regularly going in or not is irrelevant. So long as I keep working and I stay within my means, then in effect...I don't use money!

It's a mental leap that has taken 52 years to get here, but I've discovered greed sucks. I don't need anything more than what I have.

I've said it before but I am going to say it again (and again and again prob) - the solution to the "Global Economic Crisis"? Encourage greed. Take the car scrappage scheme. £2000 off the price of a brand new car if you trade in your old car of ten years or more. Firstly anybody who has a car of ten years or more (for example - me) has one because they are unable to afford a new car. Secondly because the car industry as a whole is on it's knees the fundamental solution to save thousands of jobs is to encourage greed by dangling a carrot on a string in front of motorists who just can't afford to service their ailing motor. "Don't go out there and buy a second hand car out of Auto-Trader that you can afford, that you know is within your means. No come to your local smarmy bastard car dealership and watch them add £2000 in interest onto the price of that new car you can't really afford."

Venus Project by comparison is actually not a million miles off a step in the right direction.

[i am fire,fire,fire,fire]

At least the idea had thought

Better than many projects that start now...

[Jason Chapman]

Good Grief talk about a pipe dream!

Okay, I'm afraid I am going to have to beat you all with a very big stick.

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Need I say more. I got these images, except the Thunderbirds Tracy Island from an e-book from the Venus project website entitled designing the future. Have to admit, love the artwork, very retro.

Now you all know me well enough by now, and how on occasions I have moaned on about a better future and my hopes and dreams. However I refuse to be taken in by any of this dribble, I had a good look through this site, who’s running this operation. I have a vision of some kind of James Bond super villain, like Drax off Moonraker wanting to release nerve gas into the atmosphere wiping out all but a handful of the population.

Don’t get me wrong the idea of a Utopian society complete with Gerry Anderson landscape, architecture and technology sounds fantastic but it ain’t going to happen, and the term ‘doers’ sounds a little too Scientology to me.

There is one thing us humans have in common with most of the animal kingdom and we rely on a society with an alpha male. You stick six guys on a desert island and you can bet your bananas someone in that group will want to take change, he’ll appoint a number one and two, and the other three are workers, fetch the firewood, build me a hut, and so on its human nature, there are born leaders and there are born workers. So this idea that everyone gets an equal share of everything and an equal say in everything is as realistic as the current Labour Government.