Let’s Talk The Bnp. Options

[Emissary of the Bee]

Or more accurately, let me throw you some for and against sources, quotes and clips.
While the BNP is a long time/way/form off being a viable big player, its always nice to see what you all think while sitting atop my ivory tower sipping my tea.

Against
And believe me, there’s is mounds of sources to search; this is however lazily taken from a Facebook page, not the most reliable source but with a little searching you can find video clips of most of these quotes.

“The electors of Millwall did not back a post-modernist Rightist Party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan “Defend Rights for Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, POWER IS THE PRODUCT OF FORCE AND WILL, NOT OF RATIONAL DEBATE.” - Nick Griffin

"I am only going to represent the white people. I WILL NOT REPRESENT ASIANS. I will not do anything for them. They have no right to be in my great country." - Derek Beackon

"When we get to power OUR OPPONENTS WILL BE SWEPT AWAY like flies." - John Tyndall

"Very few people in Britain are aware of the huge influence over the mass media exercised by a certain ethnic minority, namely the Jews." - Nick Griffin

“The controllers of Hollywood, almost entirely Jewish. Some 'ANTI-SEMITISM' MAY BE PROVOKED BY THE ACTIONS OF CERTAIN JEWS THEMSELVES and thereby have a RATIONAL BASIS”. - Nick Griffin

"There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But THIS NONSENSE ABOUT GAS CHAMBERS is exposed as a total lie." - Nick Griffin

"[t]his BLOODY JEW [Alex Carlile MP] whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust." - Nick Griffin

"There's not a European country the Jews haven't been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it's not just persecution. THERE'S NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE." - Mark Collett

"Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that NON-WHITES HAVE NO PLACE HERE AT ALL AND WILL NOT REST UNTIL EVERY LAST ONE HAS LEFT OUR LAND." - Nick Griffin

"Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal with. It just creates a bad image." - Nick Griffin

"There is a STRONG, DIRECT LINK from Oswald Mosley to me." - Nick Griffin

“The TV footage of dozens of ‘gay’ demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world’s journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these CREATURES so repulsive.” - Nick Griffin

"Churchill was a fucking cunt who led us into a pointless war with other whites [the Nazis] standing up for their race." - Mark Collett

"He's a fucking traitor." - Mark Collett on the Prince of Wales

"The Royals have betrayed their people. When we're in power they'll be WIPED OUT and we'll get some Germans to rule properly." - Mark Collett

"A FRIENDLY DISEASE because blacks, drug users and gays have it." - Mark Collett on AIDS

"Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will." - Mark Collett

"The sick minds who would have us believe that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz are completely twisted." - Tony Lecomber

"Asians are rubbish, and that is what WE ARE GOING TO CLEAR FROM THE STREETS." - Derek Beackon

"Those responsible for creating this multi-racial hell hole must face trial and pay the ultimate penalty." - Nick Griffin

"AIDS Monkeys.... bum bandits.... faggots." - Mark Collett on homosexuals

"Racial laws will be enacted FORBIDDING MARRIAGE between Britons and non-Aryans: medical measures will be taken to prevent procreation on the part of all those who have hereditary defects either racial, mental or physical." - John Tyndall

"Mein Kampf is my Bible." - John Tyndall

"[t]here will be an unanswerable case when the day for the great clean up comes, to IMPLEMENT THE FINAL SOLUTION against these sub-human elements by means of the GAS CHAMBERS" - John Tyndall

"There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn't about selling out it's ideas, which are your ideas, but we are determined now to sell them. And that means basically to use these salable words.
As I say, 'freedom', 'security', 'identity', 'democracy', nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas: they are salable. Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we got ourselves into a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their minds and say, 'Yes, every last one must go'. Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your soul mate to start with, you're going to get absolutely nowhere. So, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT RACIAL PURITY WE TALK ABOUT IDENTITY." - Nick Griffin addressing the Ku Klux Klan

"Voluntary repatriation. Isn't that EASIER TO SELL than compulsory repatriation for all?" - Nick Griffin

"I honestly don't hate asylum seekers - THESE PEOPLE ARE COCKROACHES *and they're doing what cockroaches do because cockroaches can't help what they do, they just do it, like cats miaow and dogs bark." - Mark Collett *This is what the Hutus in Rwanda called the Tutsis of which 800,000-1 million were killed

"Well apparently didn't they get a lot of dentistry and plastic surgery."
- Rotherham BNP's Marlene Guest, referring to horrific Nazi experiments on Jews and others during World War II.

"The idea that the Black African Bishop Sentamu, the Asian Muslim MP Shahid Malik, the part-Turkish Boris Johnson and the Jewish Lord Goldsmith have anything to teach the indigenous English about St. Georges Day is absurd." - John Lee Barnes

"When these Asians go out looking for a victim, they don't go looking for Asian victims. They don't go mugging Asian grandmas, they don't go stabbing each other, they don't go trying to solicit sex off little Pritesh or little Sanjita, they go straight to the whites because they are trying to destroy us and they are the racists." - Mark Collett

“All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here. ” - Nick Griffin

"Black culture is totally inimical to the mental and spiritual development of young white people, encouraging laziness, lack of ambition in worthy pursuits, preoccupation with the trivial and the banal, appalling manners and absence of respect for others". - John Tyndall

"WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM will be swept away by a future BNP government." - BNP councillor Simon Smith

"THE RICH ARE GENETICALLY SUPERIOR TO THE POOR." - Tony Lecomber

"I'm no apologist for WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM." - BNP councillor Simon Smith

"Rest assured, all those HOMEGROWN TRATORS who have taken part in the war against our indigenous rights will one day be held to account for their crimes." - Nick Griffin

“I want to see Britain become the 99 per cent genetically white country she was just eleven years before I was born, and I want to die knowing that I have helped to set her on a course whereby her future genetic makeup will one day not even resemble that of January 1948, but that of July 1914. Nothing will ever turn me from working towards that final vision.” - Nick Griffin

"Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal... [it] is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence." - Nick Eriksen

"Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or 1930's Germany? It would be better for your child to grow up there." - Mark Collett

"Meanwhile, the indigenous side in the low-to-medium level civil war brewing in this country is getting its training. . .Its all going to get very messy." - Nick Griffin's blog on the BNP website

"It's clearly worth talking in terms of SIX-FIGURE SUMS to persuade families to go"- Nick Griffin, the Times, April 19, 2007

“We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an EXCESS OF SENTIMENTALITY TOWARDS THE WEAK AND UNPRODUCTIVE. No good will come of it.” -Jeffrey Marshall (senior organiser for the BNP’s London European election campaign), 2009 after the death of Ivan Cameron.

“There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all.” Jeffrey Marshall again referring to Ivan Cameron.

"The capitalist free traders, the Marxists and organised Jewry have declared war on the white man, not just in Britain but in every nation on the planet". - Nick Griffin

"We don't think the most overcrowded country in Europe, can realistically say, 'Look, you can all come and all your relatives'. When the Gurkhas signed up - frankly as mercenaries - they expected a pension which would allow them to live well in their own country." - Nick Griffin, 12 May 2009

Nick Griffin addressing a KKK meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSzAtxnAJU

Nick Griffin denying the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk...feature=related

Nick Griffin denying he denied the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-G2x9lotx8...re=channel_page

The BNP canvassing for the EU and council elections 2009.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=...cxm0&ref=mf

The BNP's organiser admits that membership is limited to white Europeans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuyLVayDOHo...player_embedded

For
Uhum.
Ok I don’t want to really seem one sided but this is a little lacking without simply posting the nauseously patriotic videos the party put out, so if someone else would gather sources, it would be much appreciated.

One thing I will say is can we keep it all rather civil chaps.

This post has been edited by Emissary of the Bee: Jun 9 2009, 07:51 PM

[Jason Chapman]

The BMP are lapping up the limelight at the moment, but they're also living in a dreamworld.

Just say, and this is a huge if, Mr Griffin did make it to Number 10, does he honestly think that Europe, and the rest of the world namely America will just stand by while our government systematically persecutes the ethnic minorities in this country. we'll have US and coalition troops marching up Whitehall before you know it.

Its like I said in the Euro election post the BNP have been voted for purely out of protest, I think when it comes to a general Election it'll look a lot different. The powers that be aren't stupid there's no way they'll just stand by and let the BNP win a general Election.

One thing I will say is can we keep it all rather civil chaps.

You don't have to worry about that Bee, TT has been banned, BUKF is more like a Country Club these days.

This post has been edited by Jason Chapman: Jun 9 2009, 06:25 AM

[charlesr]

Ime pretty sure that the BNP will never be anything other than a stick with which to beat the non listening labour government, while Labour did not create the BNP, they have certainly made it into what it is to-day, with their unpopular policies. I think its fair to say that the main three parties, but Labour mainly, have driven British people to vote BNP, in fact some people actually think that the BNP is a government creation. Its exactly as Jason said, its just protest vote option

On TV news the other evening, they were interviewing people in a town not too far away from me, called Barnsley, which is a BNP strong hold, a town where i know a heck of a lot of people. They were asking who they had voted for, all but one said the BNP, and then they asked them why? The answers were, all immigration based, too many in the country, giving them jobs instead of British people, and giving them priority in housing etc, if i remember correctly, one said that her childs school was overcrowded to the point were she thought it was adversely affecting her childs education.

These issues, at least for the people interviewed were concerned, needed to be addressed before they would consider voting Labour again. Another point against Labour in that area as ive been told by friends of mine, is Asian men grooming Schoolgirls as young as 10 years old for sex, and the police refusing to act on the complaints.

The Granddaughter of a 12 year old girl, who lives in that area was raped repeatedly by young and old Asian men. The last time she got raped was when a teen aged Asian lad picked her up and drove he to a house were an older Asian man, who had his face masked raped her.

The police refused to act on the complaint, they never took a DNA a sample from the child Labour councillors also refused to act on the information as did the MP, so the Grandfather turned to the BNP who drove straight down to the police station where the BNP councillor demanded action, or she would organize a public protest as they have done in other areas. The police then acted reluctantly but never arrested any one, nor have they prosecuted anyone. Six weeks after the rape the girl was found to be pregnant, but shortly later the girl lost it, a blessing in disguise i think. The childs Grandfather asked the police to take the foetus and take a DNA sample so that they would be able to catch the rapist, moths later, the police have still not taken a DNA sample, but are still holding the foetus, the BNP have offered to pay for the DNA sample to be taken privately and have submitted a request to the police for the foetus and are still awaiting a reply.

The Grandfather was interviewed by BMP TV (as they call themselves) and that interview can been seen on their web site. With this kind of racism i would even consider voting for them myself, although i have not done so far, their vile racism is no different from that of the Labour governments, and that has prevented me from actually supporting them. I am pleased to say i voted UKIP, and boy, did they do well.

But with stories like this, I feel any parent would at least think about voting for the BNP.

This post has been edited by charlesr: Jun 9 2009, 01:58 PM

[rederic]

Ime pretty sure that the BNP will never be anything other than a stick with which to beat the non listening labour government, while Labour did not create the BNP, they have certainly made it into what it is to-day, with their unpopular policies. I think its fair to say that the main three parties, but Labour mainly, have driven British people to vote BNP, in fact some people actually think that the BNP is a government creation. Its exactly as Jason said, its just protest vote option

On TV news the other evening, they were interviewing people in a town not too far away from me, called Barnsley, which is a BNP strong hold, a town where i know a heck of a lot of people. They were asking who they had voted for, all but one said the BNP, and then they asked them why? The answers were, all immigration based, too many in the country, giving them jobs instead of British people, and giving them priority in housing etc, if i remember correctly, one said that her childs school was overcrowded to the point were she thought it was adversely affecting her childs education.

These issues, at least for the people interviewed were concerned, needed to be addressed before they would consider voting Labour again. Another point against Labour in that area as ive been told by friends of mine, is Asian men grooming Schoolgirls as young as 10 years old for sex, and the police refusing to act on the complaints.

The Granddaughter of a 12 year old girl, who lives in that area was raped repeatedly by young and old Asian men. The last time she got raped was when a teen aged Asian lad picked her up and drove he to a house were an older Asian man, who had his face masked raped her.

The police refused to act on the complaint, they never took a DNA a sample from the child Labour councillors also refused to act on the information as did the MP, so the Grandfather turned to the BNP who drove straight down to the police station where the BNP councillor demanded action, or she would organize a public protest as they have done in other areas. The police then acted reluctantly but never arrested any one, nor have they prosecuted anyone. Six weeks after the rape the girl was found to be pregnant, but shortly later the girl lost it, a blessing in disguise i think. The childs Grandfather asked the police to take the foetus and take a DNA sample so that they would be able to catch the rapist, moths later, the police have still not taken a DNA sample, but are still holding the foetus, the BNP have offered to pay for the DNA sample to be taken privately and have submitted a request to the police for the foetus and are still awaiting a reply.

The Grandfather was interviewed by BMP TV (as they call themselves) and that interview can been seen on their web site. With this kind of racism i would even consider voting for them myself, although i have not done so far, their vile racism is no different from that of the Labour governments, and that has prevented me from actually supporting them. I am pleased to say i voted UKIP, and boy, did they do well.

But with stories like this, I feel any parent would at least think about voting for the BNP.

How many of the quotes that EOTB posted would you disagree with TT?.....sorry I mean Charles.

[charlesr]

Ime pretty sure that the BNP will never be anything other than a stick with which to beat the non listening labour government, while Labour did not create the BNP, they have certainly made it into what it is to-day, with their unpopular policies. I think its fair to say that the main three parties, but Labour mainly, have driven British people to vote BNP, in fact some people actually think that the BNP is a government creation. Its exactly as Jason said, its just protest vote option

On TV news the other evening, they were interviewing people in a town not too far away from me, called Barnsley, which is a BNP strong hold, a town where i know a heck of a lot of people. They were asking who they had voted for, all but one said the BNP, and then they asked them why? The answers were, all immigration based, too many in the country, giving them jobs instead of British people, and giving them priority in housing etc, if i remember correctly, one said that her childs school was overcrowded to the point were she thought it was adversely affecting her childs education.

These issues, at least for the people interviewed were concerned, needed to be addressed before they would consider voting Labour again. Another point against Labour in that area as ive been told by friends of mine, is Asian men grooming Schoolgirls as young as 10 years old for sex, and the police refusing to act on the complaints.

The Granddaughter of a 12 year old girl, who lives in that area was raped repeatedly by young and old Asian men. The last time she got raped was when a teen aged Asian lad picked her up and drove he to a house were an older Asian man, who had his face masked raped her.

The police refused to act on the complaint, they never took a DNA a sample from the child Labour councillors also refused to act on the information as did the MP, so the Grandfather turned to the BNP who drove straight down to the police station where the BNP councillor demanded action, or she would organize a public protest as they have done in other areas. The police then acted reluctantly but never arrested any one, nor have they prosecuted anyone. Six weeks after the rape the girl was found to be pregnant, but shortly later the girl lost it, a blessing in disguise i think. The childs Grandfather asked the police to take the foetus and take a DNA sample so that they would be able to catch the rapist, moths later, the police have still not taken a DNA sample, but are still holding the foetus, the BNP have offered to pay for the DNA sample to be taken privately and have submitted a request to the police for the foetus and are still awaiting a reply.

The Grandfather was interviewed by BMP TV (as they call themselves) and that interview can been seen on their web site. With this kind of racism i would even consider voting for them myself, although i have not done so far, their vile racism is no different from that of the Labour governments, and that has prevented me from actually supporting them. I am pleased to say i voted UKIP, and boy, did they do well.

But with stories like this, I feel any parent would at least think about voting for the BNP.

How many of the quotes that EOTB posted would you disagree with TT?.....sorry I mean Charles.

Are you accusing me of impersonating some one else? Thats not a very nice thing to do to someone you dont know. I can tell that i have never found the need to impersonate any one in my life, and i dont need to now, i am more than happy with who i am. Have i just found out why this forum is so quiet?


Would you care to apologies?

[Jason Chapman]

It is indeed a disturbing story about the 12 year old girl you relayed there Charlie, but what's equally disturbing is that this kind of thing goes on in many communities up and down the country, white, black Asian, European, we read about them every day. Heard a news story today about a 38 years old Nursery school worker arrested for distributing indecent images of children, this kind of story makes my stomach turn summersaults.

Getting back to the subject in hand it seems Nick Griffin and his MEP colleague have an uphill struggle on their hands. He won’t be given the chance to air his views in public, not if the anti fascist movement have anything to do with it. As you can see from these clips, Griffin has got more chance climbing Mt Everest naked without oxygen, than being able to survive an open air press conference.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091666.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091785.stm


Griffin has slagged the media off in the past for being pawns of the government, but what he doesn’t realise is that now he’s MEP he’s going to need the media to promote whatever cause he wants to go on about, effectively he’s in a no win situation.

[aboutblank1976]

Indigenous rights of indigenous people? That's where the whole thing falls flat on it's face before you get anywhere near the racsim of the BNP. Great Britain came into existence as a result of immigration, that's a fact. Britishness is ideological not an actual individual sense of belonging created by what the BNP describe as the "indigenous" population.

[rederic]

The Granddaughter of a 12 year old girl, who lives in that area was raped repeatedly by young and old Asian men. The last time she got raped was when a teen aged Asian lad picked her up and drove he to a house were an older Asian man, who had his face masked raped her

This is indeed a shocking case. You wouldn't have a link to it would you? Not that I doubt your word, I'm sure you're someone who always tells the truth.

[aboutblank1976]

Monday night they had Andrew Brons (click here to read his resume) from the BNP and Margaret Hodge from Labour on C4 News. It was car crash debate not really because of Herr Brons' attitude more due to Margaret Hodge being unable to distinguish the difference between immigrants and students or tourists? I kid you not she genuinely lumped them altogether to try and prove that the BNP would not let any of them into the country. No wonder the BNP enjoy such a backlash vote count when the current seat of power is occupied by a party of idiots.

[charlesr]

I\'m sure you\'re someone who always tells the truth.

Then you are a wise man and a good judge of character.


Here is the case i referred to, and i hope every member of the forum will be good enough to watch it, if only out of sympathy for the abused girl. There are two more videos relating to two different offences, ile post them at a later date.

This case follows virtually the same path as the cases shown on TV not too long ago, i am sure some of you will remember that.

http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/06/racial-grooming-part-three/

This post has been edited by charlesr: Jun 10 2009, 10:22 PM

[ai21]

How many of the quotes that EOTB posted would you disagree with TT?.....sorry I mean Charles.

TT hallmark was being rude and obnoxious,
being extremely racist, speaking vehemently for the BNP, while claiming to be against them,
trying to promote right of "indigenous" people of Britten, while being very much against indigenous rights in other places.

Charles is far from being so.

so far, Charles do like conspiracy theories and have alternative view,
but this what makes him interesting.

[Emissary of the Bee]

I'm sorry but I saw that it was hosted on BNP TV and switched off.
I’m not questioning Charlesr's word or the fact that things like this happen, but I’m going to regard this event as fabricated in part or entirely do to the nature its being used.

Call that harsh but its hardly and unbiased source.

[charlesr]

Thank you ai21, your kind words are truly appreciated, they are in stark contrast to the hostility i first encountered here.

It appears to me that every Political party has good points and bad points, I think if we all were to look closely at every party manifesto, we would find something that we disagree with in each one, if anyone has seen a manifesto, which they can agree with on every single point in every single policy, I will be greatly surprised.

So even the BNP will have some good points I would think, if we accept that the BNP video clip is factually correct, then clearly in this one instance at least, they have served a useful purpose, also once again assuming the story in the video is correct, it proves me right in what I said earlier, that the other political parties, have driven this man to the BNP, their inexcusable dereliction of duty is the catalyst to the conversion of a die-hard conservative, in to a hard line BNP supporter. Let us also remember, that the lack of police action is also politically motivated.

If we had been in this man’s position, would we all not have done the exact same thing?

Can anyone here say with any certainty, that you would not have acted any differently had it been your child involved and you had received the same lack of response from your local politicians and police?

Given certain circumstances, are we all potential future BNP supporters?

I truly believe that British politicians are to blame for the rise of the BNP, they have only themselves to blame for the political situation we are now in.

The only question left in my mind is, Is it deliberate?

Call that harsh but its hardly and unbiased source.

Is any source unbiased? Is every newspaper report unbiased? Is every government statement unbiased? I believe that there is no such thing as an unbiased story.

The most convincing fact about this story, is that it matches almost exactly the Channel 4 documentary of last year, was that documentary biased? Is it not to be believed?

[Emissary of the Bee]

Sadly at the moment I’m a little busy, but I will write a decent response to that; though it will probably go something like “though I agree that every source runs its own agenda, there are extremes and those directly given from political parties are one of them”.

In the meantime I just saw this, i haven't actually read it, but as i'm in the link posting mood!
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=...8BNp&ref=nf

This post has been edited by Emissary of the Bee: Jun 11 2009, 07:55 PM

[aboutblank1976]

Yawn the crap about TT coming back still continues to haunt the news section.

Charlesr is not TT his posting style is remarkably different and it has to be said potently less personal and universally smarter than the aforementioned member. Now no more of the comparisons please.

P.s where's the real AI21? Stop using his log in and tell me what you have done with him?

Back to topic...........as explored here the BNP have no lasting commitiment from the British public beyond the next government being elected (which won't be BNP). The myth that the Labour government sticks to that the recession is the one ontological crisis that has resulted in their imediate decline is just rubbish. The BNP's appeal isnt based as far right as the argument that white's are naturally superior a race although naturally they draw the believers of such fascist ideology. The appeal comes from them (for a limited period of time) being able to represent the true interests (or perceivably so) of a public disaffected and disappointed with the current government. In reality they can offer no alternative salvation to any of the people who voted for them than Labour or the Tories because just as the aforementioned two are imprisoned by their own lack of insight the BNP too have tunnel vision.