Who killed Jesus? Options

[Bob123]

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.

[pladecalvo]

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.

....but they didn't think it was a lie did they. Just like you, they thought it was all true. Just like the followers of David Koresh and Jim Jones thought it was all true. Would Muslim suicide bombers do what they do if they thought it all a lie....of course not. So to use your argument....the fact that they kill themselves proves that Islam is true.

It's of topic but let me ask you eric/bob. Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?

This post has been edited by pladecalvo: Jan 29 2008, 09:55 PM

[Truth Teller]

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.

Thanks for replying Bob, but you did not answer my question, please don't think ime knocking God, or Jesus Christ either, i do believe in both, but i do not trust man, thats not all men of course, but certainly i believe that some men from any age or era, will tell lies to for their own ends. This could POSSIBLY? explain the contradictions in the Bible. So for clarity, i would respectfully ask you the question again, Do you believe that men of the time of Jesus and shortly after, would tell lies to further their own ends?

[zoroaster]

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

Stated succinctly, because the Jews put the Romans up to it.

The Romans did not consider Jesus a criminal or otherwise deserving of punishment. Jesus was not accused of violating any Roman law.

Jesus was condemned for "blasphemy" by the Jewish high priest Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin, the Jewish supreme council and court. Jesus was then brought to Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judea, because the death penalty was unavailable to the Sanhedrin under Roman law. Pilate was unpersuaded of Jesus' guilt and "perceived that it was out of envy that the chief priests had delivered him up." Pilate beseeched the Jewish mob to release Jesus instead of the thief Barabbas. The mob refused. Pilate asked the mob why they thirsted for Jesus' blood:"Why, what evil has he done?" A reluctant executioner, Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd." And after authorizing the execution, Pilate "washes his hands."

The above, which is described in detail in the Synoptic Gospels, answers your question, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus?"

[pladecalvo]

This could POSSIBLY? explain the contradictions in the Bible.

I prophecise that Bob/eric will claim that there are no contradictions in the Bible.

[zoroaster]

I prophecise that Bob/eric will claim that there are no contradictions in the Bible.

Too late: he has claimed it already and insists unconditionally that he is correct.

Of course he summarily dismisses that the major Christian denominations and respected theologians admit there are contradictions, albeit not on fundamental doctrines of Christianity.

[Bob123]

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.

....but they didn't think it was a lie did they. Just like you, they thought it was all true. Just like the followers of David Koresh and Jim Jones thought it was all true. Would Muslim suicide bombers do what they do if they thought it all a lie....of course not. So to use your argument....the fact that they kill themselves proves that Islam is true.

It's of topic but let me ask you eric/bob. Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?

The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

Why do you say eric/Bob ? My name is Bob, not eric.

The early disciples saw the risen Christ.

I am not eric, my name is Bob.

[Bob123]

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.

Thanks for replying Bob, but you did not answer my question, please don't think ime knocking God, or Jesus Christ either, i do believe in both, but i do not trust man, thats not all men of course, but certainly i believe that some men from any age or era, will tell lies to for their own ends. This could POSSIBLY? explain the contradictions in the Bible. So for clarity, i would respectfully ask you the question again, Do you believe that men of the time of Jesus and shortly after, would tell lies to further their own ends?

I have answered the question. What ends would they have furthered except to be put in prison and tortured? The Christian faith was a persecuted faith until Constantine.

There are no contradictions in the Bible.

[Bob123]

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

Stated succinctly, because the Jews put the Romans up to it.

The Romans did not consider Jesus a criminal or otherwise deserving of punishment. Jesus was not accused of violating any Roman law.

Jesus was condemned for "blasphemy" by the Jewish high priest Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin, the Jewish supreme council and court. Jesus was then brought to Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judea, because the death penalty was unavailable to the Sanhedrin under Roman law. Pilate was unpersuaded of Jesus' guilt and "perceived that it was out of envy that the chief priests had delivered him up." Pilate beseeched the Jewish mob to release Jesus instead of the thief Barabbas. The mob refused. Pilate asked the mob why they thirsted for Jesus' blood:"Why, what evil has he done?" A reluctant executioner, Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd." And after authorizing the execution, Pilate "washes his hands."

The above, which is described in detail in the Synoptic Gospels, answers your question, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus?"

Jesus was crucified as part of the divine plan so He could be a sacrifice for the sins of the world.

[zoroaster]

See title of thread and question in opening post, Bob.

[Bob123]

See title of thread and question in opening post, Bob.

I am well aware of the title of this thread and have answered it from the Bible. Jesus died as part of the divine plan to be a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Therefore, we all killed Christ by our sins.

[zoroaster]

The question posed in the opening post is, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

[pladecalvo]

The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

Why do you say eric/Bob ? My name is Bob, not eric.

Eric was your user name on postmaster and orange forums as well you know.....or are you going to add LIAR to your list of sinful activities?

The early disciples saw the risen Christ.

.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

I am not eric, my name is Bob.

Doesn't matter what you call yourself now.....you were formally eric on postmaster and orange forums.

....and you have, as usual, avoided the question I asked so I ask again.

Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?

[rederic]

Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd."

So, Pontius Pilate, in command of some of the most feared soldiers in history was frightened of a mob of Jews. I don't think so.
I don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews?

Another conspiracy theory.

[rederic]

The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

Exactly who witnessed the resurrection?