Who killed Jesus? Options

[Truth Teller]

don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews.

Exactly who witnessed the Italians actually killing Jesus?

[zoroaster]

Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd."

So, Pontius Pilate, in command of some of the most feared soldiers in history was frightened of a mob of Jews. I don't think so.
I don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews?

Another conspiracy theory.

Your question in your opening post was, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

I told you that you would find the answer to that question in the Synoptic Gospels. I summarized the answer for you.

Regardless what you think or whether you like it or not, that is the answer to your question.

If you want details, read the following in the Four Synoptic Gospels, King James Version (KJV): Mark 15:1-15; Matthew 27:1, 11-24; Luke 22:66-71; Luke 23:1-24; John 18:1-39; John 19:1-16.

And the original version of the New Testament from which all other versions are translated, was in Greek, not "Italian."

[Bob123]

The question posed in the opening post is, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

You don't have to tell me the title of this thread - I can read. I have also answered the question posed.

[Bob123]

The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

Why do you say eric/Bob ? My name is Bob, not eric.

Eric was your user name on postmaster and orange forums as well you know.....or are you going to add LIAR to your list of sinful activities?

The early disciples saw the risen Christ.

.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

I am not eric, my name is Bob.

Doesn't matter what you call yourself now.....you were formally eric on postmaster and orange forums.

....and you have, as usual, avoided the question I asked so I ask again.

Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?

I do not need to prove the Bible is true. I simply declare it, then God gives the gift of faith to His elect.

My name is not eric, you falsley accuse me of lying.

I have not avoided answering questions, I simply point you to the Bible - God's infallible word.

With regards to the flood. Read Genesis chapters 6-8.

[Bob123]

The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

Exactly who witnessed the resurrection?

Read 1st Corinthians chapter 15 for a list of witnesses.

[Truth Teller]

Aw fcuk it, lets blame Bush, we blame him for ever thing else.

Well he is to blame for every thing else, so one more wont do no harm eh.

[i am fire,fire,fire,fire]

Lets blame him or someone as equally annoying (bob?)

[Bob123]

Lets blame him or someone as equally annoying (bob?)

Yes, I am to blame for killing Christ, we all are; and in case you say that we couldn't have killed Him because we weren't around at the time - remember it says (Hebrews 10 v 12) that Christ offered one sacrifice for sins for ever. That includes the people in future generations.

[michaelm]

"I have not avoided answering questions, I simply point you to the Bible - God's infallible word."


But you ARE avoiding the question, as always.

One more time, eric/bob, how many people went to the tomb of Christ? and was the entrance already rolled away or was it moved as they stood there? and was it before sunrise, at sunrise or after sunrise?

According to your "infallible" Bible, there are a different number who went, the rock was moved by an angel as they watched in one gospel but already moved aside when they got there in another. In one gospel they went before dawn, in another it was as the sun was rising, and in another it was after sun rise.

I challenge you to actually address these points. If you wish I can give you (yet again) the exact chapter and verse for each CONTRADICTION.

If you resort to your usual avoidance strategy of telling me I have been "blinded by the devil" then you are merely showing, yet again, that you avoid all real questions because if you actually read those verses yourself you would be the one seeing the contradiction with your own eyes...and that would prove your persistant statement about infallibility to be wrong...and you cant bear the idea that you might be wrong. And we know why, PRIDE AND EGO.

Face it, eric/bob, it clearly contains contradictions, such as those above, and you cant respond with an answer to those.

This post has been edited by michaelm: Jan 31 2008, 08:16 PM

[Scorpio]

I've worked out why bob swoops in and out of here, posting then leaving.

Its cos he needs a quote from the bible to make a response to something. If he cant find one, then he doesnt answer

[rederic]

The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

Exactly who witnessed the resurrection?

Read 1st Corinthians chapter 15 for a list of witnesses.

I meant people who actually witnessed the Resurrection & Ascension.


Thomas Paine had this to say on the subject in "The Age of Reason".

But the resurrection of a dead person from the grave, and his
ascension through the air, is a thing very different, as to the
evidence it admits of, to the invisible conception of a child in the
womb. The resurrection and ascension, supposing them to have taken
place, admitted of public and ocular demonstration, like that of the
ascension of a balloon, or the sun at noon day, to all Jerusalem at
least. A thing which everybody is required to believe, requires that
the proof and evidence of it should be equal to all, and universal;
and as the public visibility of this last related act was the only
evidence that could give sanction to the former part, the whole of it
falls to the ground, because that evidence never was given. Instead
of this, a small number of persons, not more than eight or nine, are
introduced as proxies for the whole world, to say they saw it, and
all the rest of the world are called upon to believe it. But it
appears that Thomas did not believe the resurrection; and, as they
say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration
himself. So neither will I; and the reason is equally as good for me,
and for every other person, as for Thomas.

It is in vain to attempt to palliate or disguise this matter. The
story, so far as relates to the supernatural part, has every mark of
fraud and imposition stamped upon the face of it. Who were the
authors of it is as impossible for us now to know, as it is for us to
be assured that the books in which the account is related were
written by the persons whose names they bear. The best surviving
evidence we now have respecting this affair is the Jews. They are
regularly descended from the people who lived in the time this
resurrection and ascension is said to have happened, and they say 'it
is not true.' It has long appeared to me a strange inconsistency to
cite the Jews as a proof of the truth of the story. It is just the
same as if a man were to say, I will prove the truth of what I have
told you, by producing the people who say it is false.

[zoroaster]

Personally, I couldn't care less what Thomas Paine believed or why.

[pladecalvo]

With regards to the flood. Read Genesis chapters 6-8.

Yes, I know what it says. The question was, do you believe that your god flooded the Earth and killed everything except Noah and his mob?

[rederic]

Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd."

So, Pontius Pilate, in command of some of the most feared soldiers in history was frightened of a mob of Jews. I don't think so.
I don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews?

Another conspiracy theory.

Your question in your opening post was, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

I told you that you would find the answer to that question in the Synoptic Gospels. I summarized the answer for you.

Regardless what you think or whether you like it or not, that is the answer to your question.

If you want details, read the following in the Four Synoptic Gospels, King James Version (KJV): Mark 15:1-15; Matthew 27:1, 11-24; Luke 22:66-71; Luke 23:1-24; John 18:1-39; John 19:1-16.

And the original version of the New Testament from which all other versions are translated, was in Greek, not "Italian."

Didn't the Italians have translators then? Wasn't it the Roman Catholic Church who decided what went into the Bible &, more to the point, what was left out? Do you believe everything in the Bible, & if not, how do you choose? Do you believe the Romans were completely blameless? If not, then why don't we ever hear criticism of the Italians for their part in killing Jesus?

[zoroaster]

It was not the Roman Catholic Church that decided what went into the Bible.

The New Testament was not translated from Greek into "Italian" first, but into Latin.

I believe everything Jesus Christ said in the New Testament.

And I don't blame the "Italians" for killing Jesus.