Mr Eddy is a member of the Church of England's general synod and he is putting forth a motion that the C of E should be actively seeking to convert Muslims to the Christian faith. This is because he believes that Jesus is the only way to Heaven. He has stirred up a hornet's nest among the politically correct establishment. However, he is right because he is going by the express teachings of Christ on this matter.

It's sort of like the blind teaching the blind about a new blindness.



Christian: You should worship Christ.
Muslim: No offendi, you should worship Mohamed.
Christian: You should worship Christ.
Muslim: No offendi, you should worship Mohamed.
Christian: You should worship Christ.
Muslim: No offendi, you should worship Mohamed.
Christian: You should worship Christ.
Muslim: No offendi, you should worship Mohamed.
Christian: You should worship Christ.
Muslim: No offendi, you should worship Mohamed.



Not the most stimulating conversation.

Hmm what if they were doing the same? Going from Christ to Muhammad?

similar arguments were common in the middle ages.
just don't envite jewish speakers to such debates - it tends to spoil the missionery effect...

However, Muslims acknowledge that Mohammed did not die for our sins and rise again. Jesus did both.

How does he propose it should be done?

Well im guess Inquisition after Inquisition

I don't know how Mr Eddy proposes to evangelise Muslims but as an evangelist I would simply tell them the truth as it is in Jesus viz. that He died for their sins and rose again; that they need to repent and accept Him as their Lord and saviour; that He is the only way to Heaven. If they accept Christ, then all well and good, if they do not then eternal Hell beckons for them when they die.

I'm sure they'll be almost as impressed with that as I am.

What if Mr Eddy becomes a Muslim?

Not impossible...converter becomes converted......when it comes to religion anything is possible.....lets face it if you believe in god you probably could be convinced you can fly.

What if he has a cousin who is a Muslim and does the same (but to christians)?

If it is basically the same deity....does it matter which prophet?


I heard on the radio at dinnertime today that this topic -converting- is causing real problems. People are asking which theology is best, this "lets convert the muslims" could seriously backfire.
The Church of England isn't exactly the most devout religion.

Just ask the Choir Boys!

Listened to an interview with Sir Roy Strong last night, it seems we are fast getting to the stage when more money is being raised to save mosques than churches in this country.

That is a good question and I will reply:

Muslims do not believe that Jesus is divine and worthy of worship. Christians believe He is divine and worthy of worship. Muslims believe He is only a prophet and nothing more. At the end of the day there is truth and there is error. Two opposing "truths" cannot be true.

Jesus is the only and exclusive way to Heaven, the followers of Islam are not going to Heaven because they do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

Heaven, if you dont follow Jesus you cannot go to heaven?

I recommend you read the Divine Comedy, since there is a point of a PAGAN being in heaven. Basically he was fervent to his deity and so he was rewarded with heaven. As long as you follow your god then you can get in heaven.

I believe most relgions worship the same god but the stories ar told differently and access to heaven is different for your religion, that's all

They all say the same thing "Worship OUR way or you cannot go to heaven, only we are rightous" .

And since they cannot all be different and right at the same time, I figure it's a load of hot air.

And anyway, haven't the 20,000 that are supposed to go to heaven already been chosen..or are already there. I'm sure there's something about only a certain number destined for this imaginary place.

Islam, Christian, Judeaism...whatever, it's the same meme in different wrapping. Bring back Wotan,

they are not ALL saing it.
jews don't say that,
and other religions also.

the distortions made by catolicism don't apply to ALL religions.

I have to admit you did generalise quite badly, I mean, in christianity it said that jesus died for our sins and that any sin we make is forgiven (excluding suicide of course) as long as we follow in the footsteps of that religion. It says that if we do that we have access to heaven, that is not a limit.

The main difference between the two (Muslim and Christianity)as far as i can see is that the Quaran recommends killing members of other faiths, although i don't know if that is true, i am going on other peoples say so, as i have never read the Quaran.

If this is true then the Muslims can keep their Religion, they are welcome to it.

Has anyone here read the Quran? I think i remember zoro saying he had, but ime not sure. ?????

I have a friend who is a muslim and she certainly doesn't want to go round killing people of other faiths... plus isn't the quaran jewish? or is me getting things mixed up?

Do you know which sin it is Jesus died for?

It doesn't say at all, "For our sins". Pretty general...

I think Rach would of got mixed up with the fact the Old Testament (which some of which is used in the Quran i think) is Jewish.

oh ok, haha I'm not brilliant with religion anyway

I'll let you search for exactly which sin Jesus is supposedly crucified for until tomorrow evening.

That is unless some brave soul points it out beforehand.

this depand on which trail you are talking about - since he was found guilty by both.

the jews sentanced him to death by stoning since he incited jews to relinquish their faith (false prophet, incitement to blasphemy and idolatry).
such sentances require that he will make the incitement when the judges can hear - and that was the exact nature of Judas betrail.

he was found guilty - but the jewish court were not granted permission to stone him, so he was moved to Roman custody (which was fobidden unless he was found guilty in the first court).

the romans sentanced him on attempt of revoult, and since he confirmed that he claimed to be king of the jews - he was found guilty.

so the sins causing crucifiction were: incitement to blasphemy & idolatry, attempt to revolt

Those were not "sins" those were laws he broke. and nothing to do with him "dying so our sins can be forgiven".

Could be unmarried sex with Mary Magdalene, but thats swaying in Da Vinci Code territory

Nope.

Does no-one know why Jesus was crucified?...tut-tut.


Jesus died to absolve us of our sin...which sin? The original sin -which used to be known as "the ancestral sin"- y'know, the one Adam and Eve commited, eating from a tree.

Every child (even unborn ones) from that mythological date has been tainted by sin and marked for Hell. So God incarnated himself as a human and tortured himself to death to absolve us of that sin.


No matter how many times I read that last sentence it makes no sense, but that's what was supposed to have happened.

ooooh! well that makes sense. Seeing as that was greatest sin known from the bible.

Cept that adam and eve didn't exist to commit the sin in the first place... and that still doesn't say why an unborn baby can be sinful.

So he died to save us from a sin He created (remember he knows all that has and will happen)......by people who never existed.

So god should in fact of never created the sin therefore removing Jesus.

But if we needed Jesus he would put the sin there in order for Jesus to be needed.

But God IS jesus..remember?..he's the father the son and the holy ghost, and as such cannot die, so he never really died on the cross anyway!

Meaning that Jesus didnt die for our sins.

How can he die for our sin if he's immortal?

Excellent question, it shows you are serious about these matters rather than simply makng fun of Christians as some others have done.

The answer is that God became man (the incarnation) so that He could die for our sins. However, although He became man He was still divine.

I'm serious about pointing out the stupidity of RELIGION, it's just that I'm most familiar with the Christian meme.


So he knew he would not really "die" and everything we think when we feel pity/shame/guilt/whatever is a load of rubbish. If you know you are not going to really come to harm, the act of sacrifice means nothing.

He did know He was going to die and predicted His death a number of times.

But it doesn't count if you know you are coming back. A sacrifice is only a sacrifice if you actually loose something.

1) There was a tremendous amount of physical pain.

2) The greatest agony was to be cut off from His Father when He was bearing the weight of our sins. Hence the cry "My God, why have you forsaken me".

3) If He had not risen from the dead He could not have been our Saviour; a dead Saviour is useless, He had to rise to show His power over death.

Or the cunning of his followers.

Which with his powers should have been a dodle to stop.

So what happened to the trinity?..father son and holy ghost, the three in one? I've heard it said Jesus is god, so why cry out to himself to stop a mess he knew was coming (it's all part of Gods plan remember)

So him "dying" is a load of tosh, he knew he was coming back? so what exactly did he sacrifice? Like I've said before, to sacrifice means to loose something.

Please don't encourage Bob 123 we all know it only makes him worse.

Are you suggesting I gag people?

That's something you've complained about before now. (feel free to not forgive me easily for saying that)