what do you think of this man?
General David Richards

did I understand him incorrectly?
or he is confessing the UK army is knowingly doing war crimes?
and that all of it's wars target civilians.
much more civilians then the Gaza war?

I think British 'anti-zionists' are fuelling the conflict.

There was a court case involving George Galloway and a Jewish radio station in the UK. Galloway sued because they called him an anti-semite. Its not clear to me whether the defence lawyer asked Galloway what he intended to do with the Kalashnikov in hand, which as a young man he 'dreamed' of returning Israel to its 'rightful owners' with, or questioned him about the British Palestinian students magazine, an issue of which was guest edited by Galloway and read by me, which was eulogising suicide bombers and contained a double page closing article entitled 'THE FINAL SOLUTION', tastefully concluding that what The Final Solution should be should be left up to those in a position to impliment it.

Perhaps the radio station would have been better defended by me?

Interesting video.

Stating that mistakes are not war crimes is a bit of a risk for this high ranking solidier, its like the German government saying that the concentration camps during WWII were a mistake not a war crimes.

The question that needs to be asked is; 'Just who is the enemy these days?' There are people who say that we are in the wrong for Being in Afghanistan and Iraq. But there are those who will also state that we have every right to be there to prevent them from coming over here and planting bombs.

I'm fed up.... no bored is a better description of the government and media drumbing into our heads every day that we should be on our gaurd, bl bla bla bla.. its getting all a bit tedeous, which is probably why I don't write as much on the forum as I used to. This is still a really good forum, but quite frankly the media has become a case of same old shit different day.

This video is interesting from a different reason.
the high ranking officer was NOT saying "mistakes happens".
he was saying - if what Israel is doing is considered a war crime,
then the UK is much bigger war criminal then Israel.

he confessed the UK is not trying to protect uninvolved civilians from being harmed during the war.
this is no concentration camp, but it is a war crime.

raising the question - if the Israeli foreign minister who had NO involvement in the war can be arrested for war crimes,
why a man who fully confessed for doing much worse personally, was not arrested?
after all - the UK has much more responsibility to investigate its own war crimes BEFORE it investigate those of far away states.



regarding the enemy:
the enemy is quite clear and known.

the question is, and should be:
is this a good way to beat this enemy?
as time go by, it seems the fight is conducted very badly.
slogans replaced real strategy.

I think what the officer was saying was that Israel did more to try to protect civilians in a war zone than anyone else has done. Regarding mistakes such as inadvertantly shooting the wrong person or bombing an incorrect target, its not exactly the same as the gas chambers. Doubtless in any military you will have individuals who deliberately commit war crime. As it happens, I think Israel makes an error in putting too much focus on military force and not enough on strategy such as bombardment of the enemy with the French book which the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion came from. Military planes could also be used to drop the Faisal/Weissman agreement on targetted areas. I think that such a military operation should be used on Iran.

obviously, there will always be extremists who support mass murder of Israelis, but very much against the death of Palestinians fighters. this is not the point.

the point is, the Israeli foreign affairs minister can be arrested
and at the same time, the UK officers claim that the UK is committing much worse crimes.
why is David Miliband still at large endangering people? not to mention most of the UK high officers.
and not arrested for his involvement?


it was not an extremist who issued the arrest. it was an UK judge, acting on behalf of the UK.
should Israel bombard the UK with copies of the common law and the Geneva Conventions?

I would have no objection to anyone arresting and locking up David Miliband.

Why is that orphadeus? Is that because David Miliband is Jewish?

Do you think he is responsible for War Crimes against Palestinians?

I don't see why you drag racism into this.

the point was, that if the foreign minister of Israel is guilty of alleged crimes done to Palestinians
then since the UK has done much worse crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan (as General David Richards confessed)
the obvious conclusion is that David Miliband should be jailed until these charges are investigated.


I have no idea why Orphadeus dislike David Miliband,
but it probably has very little to do with Palestinians
in a simmilar way, I would like to see Livni at a UK jail, but it has nothing to do with the Gaza war.

I think David Miliband is young, enthusiastic and the mastermind behind biometric ID cards. My point about having no objction to him being locked up was in part a definite reference to ID cards and in part him possibly being complicit in torture.

I am unaware of the Gaza operation being a war crime. I am aware of the invasion of Iraq being a war crime and would be happy to see Tony Blair - and John Major regarding the sanctions - arrested in any country. I'm not sure David Miliband was in charge of a relevant department at the time of the invasion - he was the schools minister - and I don't think the dodgy dossier or preperation for war involved him unless he was security services.

Hi ai21, i dont understand your comment about racism, i cant see where racism was mentioned at all to be totally honest, but regarding David Miliband, the general discussion going on in the previous posts included comments about the ongoing Israel/Palestine conflict, so with Miliband being Jewish, rightly or wrongly at that point, i automatically thought that orphadeus was questioning David Millibands impartiality or even worse, active involvement in Israeli policies towards Palestine.

Obviously since orphadious's reply, it is now crystal clear that he was actually refering to Millibands support or even instigation of the British ID card project, suitably I stand corrected on that point.

Even if Milliband had been supporting or even implicit in any Israeli plan or action against the Palestinians, i could not see as being racist in anyway, Israel and Britain are staunch allies and any actions performed by Milliband would not have been at his personal whim, but on orders of his superior Gordon Brown. If i am correct in my thinking, and i believe that i am, then Milliband would have little authority, if indeed any at all, to apply his own personal idea's in effect, he would be duty bound to follow orders only.

But as i said, i stand corrected by orphadius's later post.







Thanks for the clarification.

oh, we were talking of very different things.
I was talking about him getting arrested for his involvement in the ongoing Iraq and afganistan wars
orphadious was talking of him getting arrested because of civil rights violations in the UK
and you were talking of him getting arrested because of his some support of Israel.

obviously - to claim he should be arrested for being a Jew (and therefore guilty of massacring Palestinians children) is a racist claim, which Orphadeous did not make.
it seemed you thought he did


here we go back to the main subject.

as a foreign affair minister, Milliband has little to do with war crimes committed in the Iraq and afgan wars,
in a similar way Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign affair minister, has little to with with war crimes done in Gaza war.
yet, a UK judge decided this link is strong enough to put her in jail.

by using similar logic along with the General's testimony - Milliband, along with most of the UK government should be sent to jail for the war crimes done in Iraq and Afganistan.

Have British judges put arrest warrants out for what happened in Grozny, Fallujah, Sri Lanka, anywhere? Did I miss it? Why, for many people, is the epitome of evil - and the main and specific target - Israel?

Regarding orphadious's comment on British civil rights, i can only agree 100%

I'm not sure that comment is correct, i would have to say that there have been accusations of British secret service agents being implicit in torture in variouis parts of the world. Our agents, as in any other countries take their orders from above, the end line of that command are our British government Ministers, of which Milliband is one. In fact i believe David Milliband is now and has been for some time, holding the office of Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, which would puts him firmly in the line of fire of any such accusations.

Thats now and yes he is responsible for what happens now. I was refering to the time of the invasion when he was minister for schools, as he may not have had much input in the invasion unless he was a spook.