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rederic
Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.
Truth Teller
QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 08:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.


Well it was'nt friggin me if thats what your getting at, even i was not around then. biggrin.gif


To be honest eric, it could be that no one killed him, it could be that the church has pulled the biggest con job ever, if the book ime reading at the moment is true that is, then he probably was not actually killed at all.


Bob123
In Hebrews 10 v 12 we read that Christ offered "one sacrifice for sins forever". Our sins killed Christ. It was all part of God's plan that Jesus would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
Truth Teller
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 28 2008, 08:47 PM) *

In Hebrews 10 v 12 we read that Christ offered "one sacrifice for sins forever". Our sins killed Christ. It was all part of God's plan that Jesus would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.


Who wrote that section Bob?


Scorpio
None of my sins killed him. I dont have any biggrin.gif
Bob123
QUOTE(Truth Teller @ Jan 28 2008, 08:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 28 2008, 08:47 PM) *

In Hebrews 10 v 12 we read that Christ offered "one sacrifice for sins forever". Our sins killed Christ. It was all part of God's plan that Jesus would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.


Who wrote that section Bob?



The book of Hebrews was written by.....we are not sure. Some say Paul, in fact a lot of copies of the King James Version will have Paul as the author but we are not certain of that. Modern versions do not have an author at the book's introduction.



Whoever wrote it was inspired by God so He ultimately wrote it.
zoroaster
QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

The answer to this specific question is found in the four Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament.

Bob123
QUOTE(Scorpio @ Jan 28 2008, 08:17 PM) *

None of my sins killed him. I dont have any biggrin.gif



Don't kid yourself. We are all sinners. In 1st John 1 v 8 it says that if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves. We have all fallen short so we all need to be saved. I got saved when I was 16. Jesus died for your sins so that you could be forgiven by God.
Scorpio
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:54 PM) *


Don't kid yourself.

Did you really think i was serious? erm.gif
BOO
Frankly my friend i don,t give a dam!
Bob123
QUOTE(Scorpio @ Jan 28 2008, 10:03 PM) *

QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:54 PM) *


Don't kid yourself.

Did you really think i was serious? erm.gif



I am being serious when I tell you that you will end up in Hell unless you repent and accept Christ as your personal Saviour.
i am fire,fire,fire,fire
I think the Jews killed him, by betraying him... Or that might just be the Anti-Semitic european tale...
rederic
QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 28 2008, 09:53 PM) *

QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

The answer to this specific question is found in the four Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament.




I looked these Gospels up. There seems to be quite a lot of doubt about who wrote what & when. It appears that the earliest estimate would be 50 years after the events described & to 300 years after.

I still don't see why the Jews are blamed for killing Jesus.
Truth Teller
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:52 PM) *

QUOTE(Truth Teller @ Jan 28 2008, 08:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 28 2008, 08:47 PM) *

In Hebrews 10 v 12 we read that Christ offered "one sacrifice for sins forever". Our sins killed Christ. It was all part of God's plan that Jesus would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.


Who wrote that section Bob?



The book of Hebrews was written by.....we are not sure. Some say Paul, in fact a lot of copies of the King James Version will have Paul as the author but we are not certain of that. Modern versions do not have an author at the book's introduction.



Whoever wrote it was inspired by God so He ultimately wrote it.


Do you think that back then some people would tell lies to further their own cause? Its a straight question Bob, no catches.







QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 29 2008, 08:30 PM) *

QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 28 2008, 09:53 PM) *

QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

The answer to this specific question is found in the four Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament.




I looked these Gospels up. There seems to be quite a lot of doubt about who wrote what & when. It appears that the earliest estimate would be 50 years after the events described & to 300 years after.

I still don't see why the Jews are blamed for killing Jesus.


Why not eric? What makes you think that?



zoroaster
QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 29 2008, 02:30 PM) *

QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 28 2008, 09:53 PM) *

QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

The answer to this specific question is found in the four Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament.


I looked these Gospels up. There seems to be quite a lot of doubt about who wrote what & when. It appears that the earliest estimate would be 50 years after the events described & to 300 years after.

I still don't see why the Jews are blamed for killing Jesus.

Did you read the Gospels?

Bob123
Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.
pladecalvo
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:48 PM) *

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.
....but they didn't think it was a lie did they. Just like you, they thought it was all true. Just like the followers of David Koresh and Jim Jones thought it was all true. Would Muslim suicide bombers do what they do if they thought it all a lie....of course not. So to use your argument....the fact that they kill themselves proves that Islam is true.

It's of topic but let me ask you eric/bob. Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?
Truth Teller
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:48 PM) *

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.


Thanks for replying Bob, but you did not answer my question, please don't think ime knocking God, or Jesus Christ either, i do believe in both, but i do not trust man, thats not all men of course, but certainly i believe that some men from any age or era, will tell lies to for their own ends. This could POSSIBLY? explain the contradictions in the Bible. So for clarity, i would respectfully ask you the question again, Do you believe that men of the time of Jesus and shortly after, would tell lies to further their own ends?


zoroaster
QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

Stated succinctly, because the Jews put the Romans up to it.

The Romans did not consider Jesus a criminal or otherwise deserving of punishment. Jesus was not accused of violating any Roman law.

Jesus was condemned for "blasphemy" by the Jewish high priest Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin, the Jewish supreme council and court. Jesus was then brought to Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judea, because the death penalty was unavailable to the Sanhedrin under Roman law. Pilate was unpersuaded of Jesus' guilt and "perceived that it was out of envy that the chief priests had delivered him up." Pilate beseeched the Jewish mob to release Jesus instead of the thief Barabbas. The mob refused. Pilate asked the mob why they thirsted for Jesus' blood:"Why, what evil has he done?" A reluctant executioner, Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd." And after authorizing the execution, Pilate "washes his hands."

The above, which is described in detail in the Synoptic Gospels, answers your question, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus?"


pladecalvo
QUOTE(Truth Teller @ Jan 29 2008, 11:19 PM) *
This could POSSIBLY? explain the contradictions in the Bible.
I prophecise that Bob/eric will claim that there are no contradictions in the Bible.
zoroaster
QUOTE(pladecalvo @ Jan 30 2008, 01:39 AM) *

I prophecise that Bob/eric will claim that there are no contradictions in the Bible.

Too late: he has claimed it already and insists unconditionally that he is correct.

Of course he summarily dismisses that the major Christian denominations and respected theologians admit there are contradictions, albeit not on fundamental doctrines of Christianity.

Bob123
QUOTE(pladecalvo @ Jan 29 2008, 10:01 PM) *

QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:48 PM) *

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.
....but they didn't think it was a lie did they. Just like you, they thought it was all true. Just like the followers of David Koresh and Jim Jones thought it was all true. Would Muslim suicide bombers do what they do if they thought it all a lie....of course not. So to use your argument....the fact that they kill themselves proves that Islam is true.

It's of topic but let me ask you eric/bob. Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?



The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.

Why do you say eric/Bob ? My name is Bob, not eric.

The early disciples saw the risen Christ.

I am not eric, my name is Bob.
Bob123
QUOTE(Truth Teller @ Jan 29 2008, 10:19 PM) *

QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:48 PM) *

Answer to TT: You asked if people would tell untruths to further their own cause. In the case of the disciples they were put in prison and tortured for speaking of Jesus. They would hardly be likely to put themselves in trouble with the authorities for what they knew to be a lie.


Thanks for replying Bob, but you did not answer my question, please don't think ime knocking God, or Jesus Christ either, i do believe in both, but i do not trust man, thats not all men of course, but certainly i believe that some men from any age or era, will tell lies to for their own ends. This could POSSIBLY? explain the contradictions in the Bible. So for clarity, i would respectfully ask you the question again, Do you believe that men of the time of Jesus and shortly after, would tell lies to further their own ends?



I have answered the question. What ends would they have furthered except to be put in prison and tortured? The Christian faith was a persecuted faith until Constantine.

There are no contradictions in the Bible.
Bob123
QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 30 2008, 03:40 AM) *

QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:24 PM) *

Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it.

Stated succinctly, because the Jews put the Romans up to it.

The Romans did not consider Jesus a criminal or otherwise deserving of punishment. Jesus was not accused of violating any Roman law.

Jesus was condemned for "blasphemy" by the Jewish high priest Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin, the Jewish supreme council and court. Jesus was then brought to Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judea, because the death penalty was unavailable to the Sanhedrin under Roman law. Pilate was unpersuaded of Jesus' guilt and "perceived that it was out of envy that the chief priests had delivered him up." Pilate beseeched the Jewish mob to release Jesus instead of the thief Barabbas. The mob refused. Pilate asked the mob why they thirsted for Jesus' blood:"Why, what evil has he done?" A reluctant executioner, Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd." And after authorizing the execution, Pilate "washes his hands."

The above, which is described in detail in the Synoptic Gospels, answers your question, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus?"






Jesus was crucified as part of the divine plan so He could be a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
zoroaster



See title of thread and question in opening post, Bob.

Bob123
QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 30 2008, 02:33 PM) *


See title of thread and question in opening post, Bob.





I am well aware of the title of this thread and have answered it from the Bible. Jesus died as part of the divine plan to be a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Therefore, we all killed Christ by our sins.
zoroaster

The question posed in the opening post is, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

pladecalvo
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 30 2008, 10:20 AM) *


The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.
.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

QUOTE
Why do you say eric/Bob ? My name is Bob, not eric.
Eric was your user name on postmaster and orange forums as well you know.....or are you going to add LIAR to your list of sinful activities?

QUOTE
The early disciples saw the risen Christ.
.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

QUOTE
I am not eric, my name is Bob.
Doesn't matter what you call yourself now.....you were formally eric on postmaster and orange forums.

....and you have, as usual, avoided the question I asked so I ask again.

Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?
rederic
QUOTE
Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd."


So, Pontius Pilate, in command of some of the most feared soldiers in history was frightened of a mob of Jews. I don't think so.
I don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews?

Another conspiracy theory. shifty.gif
rederic
QUOTE
The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.


Exactly who witnessed the resurrection?
Truth Teller
QUOTE
don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews.


Exactly who witnessed the Italians actually killing Jesus?



zoroaster
QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 30 2008, 03:53 PM) *

QUOTE
Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd."

So, Pontius Pilate, in command of some of the most feared soldiers in history was frightened of a mob of Jews. I don't think so.
I don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews?

Another conspiracy theory. shifty.gif

Your question in your opening post was, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

I told you that you would find the answer to that question in the Synoptic Gospels. I summarized the answer for you.

Regardless what you think or whether you like it or not, that is the answer to your question.

If you want details, read the following in the Four Synoptic Gospels, King James Version (KJV): Mark 15:1-15; Matthew 27:1, 11-24; Luke 22:66-71; Luke 23:1-24; John 18:1-39; John 19:1-16.

And the original version of the New Testament from which all other versions are translated, was in Greek, not "Italian."



Bob123
QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 30 2008, 05:40 PM) *


The question posed in the opening post is, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."





You don't have to tell me the title of this thread - I can read. I have also answered the question posed.
Bob123
QUOTE(pladecalvo @ Jan 30 2008, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 30 2008, 10:20 AM) *


The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.
.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

QUOTE
Why do you say eric/Bob ? My name is Bob, not eric.
Eric was your user name on postmaster and orange forums as well you know.....or are you going to add LIAR to your list of sinful activities?

QUOTE
The early disciples saw the risen Christ.
.....and the only evidence for this is the bible so you need to prove that the bible is a true and accurate document.

QUOTE
I am not eric, my name is Bob.
Doesn't matter what you call yourself now.....you were formally eric on postmaster and orange forums.

....and you have, as usual, avoided the question I asked so I ask again.

Do you believe that your god flooded the world......killing everything save Noah and his mob?



I do not need to prove the Bible is true. I simply declare it, then God gives the gift of faith to His elect.

My name is not eric, you falsley accuse me of lying.

I have not avoided answering questions, I simply point you to the Bible - God's infallible word.

With regards to the flood. Read Genesis chapters 6-8.

Bob123
QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 30 2008, 09:05 PM) *

QUOTE
The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.


Exactly who witnessed the resurrection?



Read 1st Corinthians chapter 15 for a list of witnesses.
Truth Teller

Aw fcuk it, lets blame Bush, we blame him for ever thing else.

Well he is to blame for every thing else, so one more wont do no harm eh. biggrin.gif



i am fire,fire,fire,fire
Lets blame him or someone as equally annoying (bob?)
Bob123
QUOTE(i am fire,fire,fire,fire @ Jan 31 2008, 04:14 PM) *

Lets blame him or someone as equally annoying (bob?)



Yes, I am to blame for killing Christ, we all are; and in case you say that we couldn't have killed Him because we weren't around at the time - remember it says (Hebrews 10 v 12) that Christ offered one sacrifice for sins for ever. That includes the people in future generations.
michaelm

"I have not avoided answering questions, I simply point you to the Bible - God's infallible word."


But you ARE avoiding the question, as always.

One more time, eric/bob, how many people went to the tomb of Christ? and was the entrance already rolled away or was it moved as they stood there? and was it before sunrise, at sunrise or after sunrise?

According to your "infallible" Bible, there are a different number who went, the rock was moved by an angel as they watched in one gospel but already moved aside when they got there in another. In one gospel they went before dawn, in another it was as the sun was rising, and in another it was after sun rise.

I challenge you to actually address these points. If you wish I can give you (yet again) the exact chapter and verse for each CONTRADICTION.

If you resort to your usual avoidance strategy of telling me I have been "blinded by the devil" then you are merely showing, yet again, that you avoid all real questions because if you actually read those verses yourself you would be the one seeing the contradiction with your own eyes...and that would prove your persistant statement about infallibility to be wrong...and you cant bear the idea that you might be wrong. And we know why, PRIDE AND EGO.

Face it, eric/bob, it clearly contains contradictions, such as those above, and you cant respond with an answer to those.
Scorpio
I've worked out why bob swoops in and out of here, posting then leaving.

Its cos he needs a quote from the bible to make a response to something. If he cant find one, then he doesnt answer
rederic
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 31 2008, 09:18 AM) *

QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 30 2008, 09:05 PM) *

QUOTE
The early disciples actually saw Christ after He had risen, so they knew He was alive.


Exactly who witnessed the resurrection?



Read 1st Corinthians chapter 15 for a list of witnesses.


I meant people who actually witnessed the Resurrection & Ascension.


Thomas Paine had this to say on the subject in "The Age of Reason".

QUOTE
But the resurrection of a dead person from the grave, and his
ascension through the air, is a thing very different, as to the
evidence it admits of, to the invisible conception of a child in the
womb. The resurrection and ascension, supposing them to have taken
place, admitted of public and ocular demonstration, like that of the
ascension of a balloon, or the sun at noon day, to all Jerusalem at
least. A thing which everybody is required to believe, requires that
the proof and evidence of it should be equal to all, and universal;
and as the public visibility of this last related act was the only
evidence that could give sanction to the former part, the whole of it
falls to the ground, because that evidence never was given. Instead
of this, a small number of persons, not more than eight or nine, are
introduced as proxies for the whole world, to say they saw it, and
all the rest of the world are called upon to believe it. But it
appears that Thomas did not believe the resurrection; and, as they
say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration
himself. So neither will I; and the reason is equally as good for me,
and for every other person, as for Thomas.

It is in vain to attempt to palliate or disguise this matter. The
story, so far as relates to the supernatural part, has every mark of
fraud and imposition stamped upon the face of it. Who were the
authors of it is as impossible for us now to know, as it is for us to
be assured that the books in which the account is related were
written by the persons whose names they bear. The best surviving
evidence we now have respecting this affair is the Jews. They are
regularly descended from the people who lived in the time this
resurrection and ascension is said to have happened, and they say 'it
is not true.' It has long appeared to me a strange inconsistency to
cite the Jews as a proof of the truth of the story. It is just the
same as if a man were to say, I will prove the truth of what I have
told you, by producing the people who say it is false.
zoroaster

Personally, I couldn't care less what Thomas Paine believed or why.

pladecalvo
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Jan 31 2008, 10:17 AM) *
With regards to the flood. Read Genesis chapters 6-8.
Yes, I know what it says. The question was, do you believe that your god flooded the Earth and killed everything except Noah and his mob?
rederic
QUOTE(zoroaster @ Jan 30 2008, 11:15 PM) *

QUOTE(rederic @ Jan 30 2008, 03:53 PM) *

QUOTE
Pilate allowed the crucifixion of Jesus not out of a conviction that Jesus had done anything wrong, but only to "satisfy the crowd."

So, Pontius Pilate, in command of some of the most feared soldiers in history was frightened of a mob of Jews. I don't think so.
I don't understand why the Italians don't get a share of the blame. They did, after all, actually execute Jesus when they didn't have to. Could it be perhaps that Italian Popes fiddled the Bible so the blame falls on the Jews?

Another conspiracy theory. shifty.gif

Your question in your opening post was, "Why do the Jews get blamed for killing Jesus? I thought the Roman's did it."

I told you that you would find the answer to that question in the Synoptic Gospels. I summarized the answer for you.

Regardless what you think or whether you like it or not, that is the answer to your question.

If you want details, read the following in the Four Synoptic Gospels, King James Version (KJV): Mark 15:1-15; Matthew 27:1, 11-24; Luke 22:66-71; Luke 23:1-24; John 18:1-39; John 19:1-16.

And the original version of the New Testament from which all other versions are translated, was in Greek, not "Italian."




Didn't the Italians have translators then? Wasn't it the Roman Catholic Church who decided what went into the Bible &, more to the point, what was left out? Do you believe everything in the Bible, & if not, how do you choose? Do you believe the Romans were completely blameless? If not, then why don't we ever hear criticism of the Italians for their part in killing Jesus?
zoroaster

It was not the Roman Catholic Church that decided what went into the Bible.

The New Testament was not translated from Greek into "Italian" first, but into Latin.

I believe everything Jesus Christ said in the New Testament.

And I don't blame the "Italians" for killing Jesus.

Jason Chapman
Who killed Jesus? Everyone knows the answer to that.

It was Colonel Mustard In the Drawing Room with the revolver. No scrub that Jesus was in the library at the time and I think Mustard hit him with the candle stick grin.gif
rederic
QUOTE(zoroaster @ Feb 1 2008, 09:43 PM) *


It was not the Roman Catholic Church that decided what went into the Bible.

The New Testament was not translated from Greek into "Italian" first, but into Latin.

I believe everything Jesus Christ said in the New Testament.

And I don't blame the "Italians" for killing Jesus.




QUOTE
It was not the Roman Catholic Church that decided what went into the Bible.


Who was it then? Someone must have, otherwise there wouldn't be spare Gospels.


QUOTE
The New Testament was not translated from Greek into "Italian" first, but into Latin.


I didn't suggest that it was translated into Italian first. Just that the Italians could understand the Greek & could have translated it themselves.


QUOTE
I believe everything Jesus Christ said in the New Testament.


QUOTE
Jesus Christ wrote no account of himself, of his birth, parentage, or
anything else. Not a line of what is called the New Testament is of
his writing. The history of him is altogether the work of other
people.
(Thomas Paine).... In other words, hearsay.

I take this to mean that you don't necessarily believe everything in the Bible, or even everything in the New Testament. Is this correct?


QUOTE
And I don't blame the "Italians" for killing Jesus.


Why not? The Jews still get blamed for their part in it.


I can't fault the teachings or morality of Jesus. If everyone lived their lives using his main teachings as an overall blueprint, then the world would be a far better place. It's people who have messed it up & the worst culprit, in my opinion, is religion. I believe religion & the churches of the world are a corrupting influence on man.




Bob123
Thomas Paine died in great agony of soul. That is because he knew he was going to Hell. His "Age of reason" gave him no comfort on his deathbed.
rederic
QUOTE(Bob123 @ Feb 2 2008, 09:49 AM) *

Thomas Paine died in great agony of soul. That is because he knew he was going to Hell. His "Age of reason" gave him no comfort on his deathbed.


And you know this for a fact do you. How?
i am fire,fire,fire,fire
he killed him, innit
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